Recently, a friend was charged with fail to yield entering a roundabout. The one charged had damage on the front driver corner, and the other vehicle in the rear passenger corner panel. The vehicle with rear damage wasn't able to drive due to tire damage. both vehicles limped off the roadway and parked off to the side until the responding police force was able to attend. The officer that arrived about 2.5 hours later never went out to the3 lane roundabout to see if there was any damage, vehicle parts or signs to corroborate one version of the story or the other. One vehicle, with rear damage, had 2 adults in it, both of whose wrote their statements while side by side in their secondary vehicle that arrived on scene, while the one driving the car with frontal damage wrote their statement in their car. 2 questions. Is there an obligation for statements to be written independently? Also, should the officer not have gone out to look at the scene. When he laid the charge of failing to yield, he said in his professional opinion it was the right charge for the circumstances followed by a statement that he's unsure how many demerit points, if any, the charge carries. I know it's 3, but in the professional opinion of the officer this wasn't known? Is it worth disputing the ticket.
Recently, a friend was charged with fail to yield entering a roundabout. The one charged had damage on the front driver corner, and the other vehicle in the rear passenger corner panel. The vehicle with rear damage wasn't able to drive due to tire damage. both vehicles limped off the roadway and parked off to the side until the responding police force was able to attend.
The officer that arrived about 2.5 hours later never went out to the3 lane roundabout to see if there was any damage, vehicle parts or signs to corroborate one version of the story or the other. One vehicle, with rear damage, had 2 adults in it, both of whose wrote their statements while side by side in their secondary vehicle that arrived on scene, while the one driving the car with frontal damage wrote their statement in their car.
2 questions. Is there an obligation for statements to be written independently? Also, should the officer not have gone out to look at the scene. When he laid the charge of failing to yield, he said in his professional opinion it was the right charge for the circumstances followed by a statement that he's unsure how many demerit points, if any, the charge carries. I know it's 3, but in the professional opinion of the officer this wasn't known?
Always worth disputing every ticket in my opinion. Plead not guilty and request a trial. Once you get notice of trial, request copy of officer notes and a copy of all witness statements and any will-say statements. The officer is not required to know how many demerits a charge carries... that is the MTO's job to decide that. Not sure about the statements. Although at trial you could question them both about making them the same.
Always worth disputing every ticket in my opinion. Plead not guilty and request a trial. Once you get notice of trial, request copy of officer notes and a copy of all witness statements and any will-say statements.
The officer is not required to know how many demerits a charge carries... that is the MTO's job to decide that.
Not sure about the statements. Although at trial you could question them both about making them the same.
To answer your first question, the obligation is on the witness not to lie while giving a statement. Could the officer have had separated them? I guess, but it's a fender bender where one driver had the right of way and the other didn't. It's not a crime scene investigation. As to the second question, it's a roundabout. I'd imagine whatever happened was pretty straight forward. One driver had the right of way and the other didn't. The driver entering the roundabout has a responsibility to do so safely. Based on the damage and statements, the officer came to a conclusion. Demerit points have nothing to do with the officer. They just lay the charge. Demerit points are given out by the MTO as a penalty system. It's irrelevant to the officer. They just lay the appropriate charge. Whatever happens after that is out of their hands. Whether or not you want to dispute the ticket is up to you. A conviction is a conviction whether there's demerit points or not. The MTO cares about your points, your insurance provider does not.
To answer your first question, the obligation is on the witness not to lie while giving a statement. Could the officer have had separated them? I guess, but it's a fender bender where one driver had the right of way and the other didn't. It's not a crime scene investigation.
As to the second question, it's a roundabout. I'd imagine whatever happened was pretty straight forward. One driver had the right of way and the other didn't. The driver entering the roundabout has a responsibility to do so safely. Based on the damage and statements, the officer came to a conclusion. Demerit points have nothing to do with the officer. They just lay the charge. Demerit points are given out by the MTO as a penalty system. It's irrelevant to the officer. They just lay the appropriate charge. Whatever happens after that is out of their hands.
Whether or not you want to dispute the ticket is up to you. A conviction is a conviction whether there's demerit points or not. The MTO cares about your points, your insurance provider does not.
I have received a $450 ticket for parking in a handicap loading zone. I did not see the sign and the pavement was not marked. I have lived in Toronto for 15 years and this is the first ticket of any kind I have received. My last ticket, in a different city, was over 20 years ago. I am always very careful about parking and traffic regulations.
I cannot afford to pay $450. I do not make a lot of…
Petition to change HTA 136 (1)(A)Failure to Stop at Stop Sign
Hello, it does not seem right that not coming to a complete stop, that your wheels do not stop turning or rolling stop carries the same penalty as not stopping at all at a stop sign . I think it's time this laws challenged and quashed. I wondered how to go both that? Can we start a website that we can sign a petition to have this law…
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4 months prior to her court date in November, I requested disclosure 3 times prior to her…
Reference is made in the HTA to Stop Signs at Railway Crossings (passive crossings):
HTA, 163 (2)
O Reg 615 (7)
However I cannot find specific regulation detailing how a railway crossing controlled by a stop sign must be configured.
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I got a parking ticket on Halloween around 9pm for parking in front of a cross walk in a residential street. There's no sign or anything that says you can't park there.
You know the crosswalk/walkways in residential streets that are fenced on both sides and that simply lead you to another street on the other side is what I'm talking about.
The parking ticket officer must have seen me walk in…
So I was on my way home, going a solid 120 as usual in the fast lane. Someone decides to cut me off going less than 100. I do a quick double lane change and speed up unknowingly hitting apparently 150. After speeding for a mere 20 seconds, I am pulled over. Cop says he reduced the ticket to 49 over, I was charged $359 for that. Of course, my insurance isn't in my car... I had to take it out…
Hi, new at this and could use all the help and guidance..
My brother just got in an accident where he swerved to avoid hitting a squirrel and got in an accident. Luckily, no one was hurt as he did not hit another party so it was just our car (old car and it will be a write off). The cop issued a careless driving ticket - notice of appearance. I read a similiar thread about this but not sure if it…
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I keep being told that if you are found to be driving with bare feet, you could be fined etc... but nowhere can I find the actual rule anyway. Does anyone know if this is truly illegal - or perhaps used to be? In summer, sandals being what they are, its much safer, in my opinion to kick them off and drive with bare feet.... but then I hate anything on my feet in hot weather!
I got pulled over yesterday on the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway in Ottawa for going 106 km/h in a 60 zone. It was around noon, the weather was good and I was the only car on the road. He was hiding around a corner and was just stopped in the right lane (there are no shoulders on this road). I was alone in my car and neither of us said much, he didnt reduce my fine and gave me a ticket of a set…
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For my first ever post, I'm going to ask for your own story dealing with a s.172 charge.
There is a lot of teeth grinding online about the street racing laws but few hands-on accounts from people who have been there and done that. I saw many posts from people seeking advice but few mention the actual outcome.
With about 1/3 conviction rate, there should be many success stories around. Even if you we…
... two cars pulled over, we (my wife and 7 month old boy) were passing a truck in the passing lane, first car passed me and I pulled out behind him. Crested a hill while on a curve, pass the truck and move back into the driving lane. Police officer shows up behind and pulls us both over. Gave me a ticket saying I was following the car in front doing 124km/hr.
We all know that numerous police agencies around Ontario (and world for that matter) set up speed traps in inconspicuous locations to catch motorists who are speeding.
If you know of any speed traps that are in regular use please post them here for all to know and avoid speeding fines.
Format: Town, Location, Direction, known days of operation (if known).
Sorry if this has been covered, but I searched and didn't find anything.
Just thought I'd share my recent experience.
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I paid my fines for 2 tickets; fail to provide ownership and fail to provide insurence. I now know i should have checked not guilty and mailed them in.
(the papers were in the car. I was looking for them but was distracted by a badgering 2nd officer who was attempting to identify my passenger. I found them when i stopped for coffee later.)
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Been charged with Careless Driving in a residential area.
1. The Officer has a Witness statement. If the Witness does not appear at Trail, can that statement be introduced at Trial by the Crown and used against me.?
2. The Address "Number" (the Street is correct) on the infraction does not remotely exist, is an empty field. Does this matter?
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