Thanks to the good folks at Ticket Combat and here I finally prevailed after 2.5 years of the runaround regarding my talking on a cellphone and invalid permit sticker charges. First off, I wasn't guilty on the first count and the second was really no contest - I simply forgot about it. Anyway, 13 months for the original trial, then they ran out of time and it got pushed back to 20 months. At that point I asked for a preliminary motion to stay the charges without filing notice - common sense, right? - and the Crown and judge said I wasn't permitted to to that. Turns out that I was. Under the rules of the court - Courts of Justice Act. - you can ask for a motion without filing notice. The judge doesn't have to grant it, but they do at least need to hear it. R.R.O. 1990, REGULATION 200 RULES OF THE ONTARIO COURT (PROVINCIAL DIVISION) IN PROVINCIAL OFFENCES PROCEEDINGS (7) An application or motion may be heard without notice, (a) on consent; or (b) where, having regard to the subject-matter or the circumstances of the application or motion, it would not be unjust to hear the application or motion without notice. So I cited this today first speaking with the Crown and she said that it didn't apply. I said 'It seems reasonably clear to me that it does apply. If, however, you disagree, we can let the judge make a ruling. Further I'll be asking the law society for a peer review because it seems you're unaware of some rather important points regarding procedural law." She scowled at me and told me to take a seat. And then as a last jab mad me sit there for a full two hours while the rest of the docket was cleared before I was called up and at which time withdrew both charges. So yes, even though I did file all the requisite paperwork - and I had an argument against the officer anyway - I suppose the aspect of dealing with a formal review was just too much of a pain in the ass for her and voila! So yeah, cite those rules and regulations! Stick it to the man! And may the Force be with you! :)
Thanks to the good folks at Ticket Combat and here I finally prevailed after 2.5 years of the runaround regarding my talking on a cellphone and invalid permit sticker charges. First off, I wasn't guilty on the first count and the second was really no contest - I simply forgot about it. Anyway, 13 months for the original trial, then they ran out of time and it got pushed back to 20 months. At that point I asked for a preliminary motion to stay the charges without filing notice - common sense, right? - and the Crown and judge said I wasn't permitted to to that. Turns out that I was. Under the rules of the court - Courts of Justice Act. - you can ask for a motion without filing notice. The judge doesn't have to grant it, but they do at least need to hear it.
R.R.O. 1990, REGULATION 200
RULES OF THE ONTARIO COURT (PROVINCIAL DIVISION) IN PROVINCIAL OFFENCES PROCEEDINGS
(7) An application or motion may be heard without notice,
(a) on consent; or
(b) where, having regard to the subject-matter or the circumstances of the application or motion, it would not be unjust to hear the application or motion without notice.
So I cited this today first speaking with the Crown and she said that it didn't apply. I said 'It seems reasonably clear to me that it does apply. If, however, you disagree, we can let the judge make a ruling. Further I'll be asking the law society for a peer review because it seems you're unaware of some rather important points regarding procedural law." She scowled at me and told me to take a seat. And then as a last jab mad me sit there for a full two hours while the rest of the docket was cleared before I was called up and at which time withdrew both charges. So yes, even though I did file all the requisite paperwork - and I had an argument against the officer anyway - I suppose the aspect of dealing with a formal review was just too much of a pain in the ass for her and voila! So yeah, cite those rules and regulations! Stick it to the man! And may the Force be with you!
If I understood the above correctly, you don't need to go through the tedious paperwork of filing an 11b before requesting a stay of proceedings? What paperwork is needed? That isn't clear. VICTORY IS OURS!!!!!!!! :D
If I understood the above correctly, you don't need to go through the tedious paperwork of filing an 11b before requesting a stay of proceedings?
They made him wait until all others were gone. If he went first most of the others would change their plea. In this case they just drop the charge. It does help if you have a pile of pic's and you are last in line. Cheers Viper1
diehard wrote:
If I understood the above correctly, you don't need to go through the tedious paperwork of filing an 11b before requesting a stay of proceedings?
What paperwork is needed?
That isn't clear.
VICTORY IS OURS!!!!!!!!
They made him wait until all others were gone.
If he went first most of the others would change their plea.
In this case they just drop the charge.
It does help if you have a pile of pic's and you are last in line.
Cheers
Viper1
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Technically speaking you don't require any paperwork, but if the judge is a jerk they'll make you file. It happened to me today in fact. Went in on an 18 month old parking ticket, and not only did they leave me to the very last even though I saw the prosecutor first, when I cited the rules of the court the judge flat out refused. I asked a reason and she wouldn't give one just saying come back with the properly filed paperwork. So since they're going to be *EDIT* about it I'm going to check with the law society about a peer review and filing a complaint against them. Those petty little revenge tactics are total bullshit on their part as all they do is cost the taxpayer more unnecessary money. So now a $15 dollar ticket ends up costing us - taxpayers - several hundred dollars because they want to be *EDIT* and don't like people challenging their authority.
diehard wrote:
If I understood the above correctly, you don't need to go through the tedious paperwork of filing an 11b before requesting a stay of proceedings?
What paperwork is needed?
That isn't clear.
VICTORY IS OURS!!!!!!!!
Technically speaking you don't require any paperwork, but if the judge is a jerk they'll make you file. It happened to me today in fact. Went in on an 18 month old parking ticket, and not only did they leave me to the very last even though I saw the prosecutor first, when I cited the rules of the court the judge flat out refused. I asked a reason and she wouldn't give one just saying come back with the properly filed paperwork. So since they're going to be *EDIT* about it I'm going to check with the law society about a peer review and filing a complaint against them. Those petty little revenge tactics are total bullshit on their part as all they do is cost the taxpayer more unnecessary money. So now a $15 dollar ticket ends up costing us - taxpayers - several hundred dollars because they want to be *EDIT* and don't like people challenging their authority.
I will be going to trial for my red light camera offence.
I'll be arguing two issues, centered on the fact that there are two essential elements of 144(18) - a) a vehicle approaching the intersection shall stop; and b) the vehicle shall not proceed until green. Both essential elements must be contravened beyond a reasonable doubt to be an offence.
1) My ticket says I (being the owner) am "charged…
I know that the RIDE program has been covered extensively in these great forums, but I have a question about the stop itself:
I recently was stopped for a RIDE Program and the officer asked me to roll the window down all of the way (I had it at half and could easily communicate with them). I told them that I could hear them just fine and they insisted I roll it down all of the way. Again I told…
Not sure the right place for this so if it needs to be moved please do so.
I was stopped today for 15 over the speed limit, I gave all the documents to the officer and he said he could not accept a photocopy of my ownership only the original I had a photo copy front and back and I had my plate sticker number with it.
he gave me a ticket for HWY ACT Section 7(5)(a) he said only the original would…
Hey! I'm from Sudbury Ontario. Hope that general talk is fine for this subject
I am very serious about looking for exact ruling about underfacing lighting
Section 14 clearly states:
Red and blue lights to the front restricted
(14.1) In addition to the lighting requirements in this Part, a police department vehicle may carry lamps that cast red and blue lights, but no other motor vehicle shall carry…
i was driving my dad's car when i was caught by the red light camera in Brampton. My dad would've to take time off work to go ask for a trial and then go to one.
Can i represent him? if yes, what do i need to do?
I was pulled over and told I went through a red light during a right turn. I learned through a friend who is a police constable that the one who pulled me over is new to the job (under a year, and possibly even the first month or two of real duty).
I was given a ticket for $180. I have some questions:
(1) Is this offense automatically associated with 3 demerit points? I see no mention of them on…
I got a ticket for 'Disobey Stop Sign' in November of 2013 (in York Region), requested disclosure and went to court in August of 2014. At my first appearance, I did not plea but requested an ajournment to to consult legal advice. The JOP set the next appearance in September.
I contacted a paralegal about my options. He told me that on my next appearance, if the police officer did not show, the…
I had a trial and found guilty, but the trial seemed to go wrong since the beginning.
The JP asked me if i am intending to take the stand- I said NO.
I asked how to submit my evidence-documents and photos.
JP said-i have to take the stand if i want to submit evidence.(Now i am finding this is wrong-i could introduce my evidence during cross examination and my defense would be much stronger)
Ottawa, Canada (AHN) - Beginning Tuesday, or April Fool's Day 2008, fines on Quebec drivers caught overspeeding will be doubled. It is not only the money penalty that will go up, but also demerit points.
The new law, Bill 42, is similar to Ontario's street racing rule. It stipulates fines for motorists who drive at over 40 km/h at under 60 km/h zones, speed at 50 km/h at 60 to 90 km/h areas and…
Make big trucks go slower and the roads will become safer.
Obvious, isn't it? It's also obvious when you look out the window that the world is flat.
Last Monday, truckers in Ontario tried to mount a convoy to Queen's Park to show their opposition to electronic speed limiters. These devices, electronic chips in trucks' engine management systems, restrict speeds…
I was out on a four lane highway around Orangeville Ontario and I noticed a school bus coming south (I was going north). I kept my eyes on the bus in case it was going to stop. As I approached it, it was slowing down a little, but no lights, and especially no arm with the STOP sign. As I was just about to pass the bus, I still did not see the lights, nor did I see the STOP sign.
Hey everyone first off I'd like to say great website, I have been reading and it is very useful
I'm posting today as I'd like to get some feedback on my situation and have a couple of questions. Please excuse the vagueness in some areas - I don't want my case to be identifiable given the small town.
So I was driving up north and was pulled over by an OPP SUV for doing 31 over. Cop drove past me,…
Driving on a 80km/hr highway the car ahead hits the brakes and slows to 55, l slow down right behind him no reason to slow down traffic was moving between 80 and 90. I notice the driver is on the phone and looking through papers on the passenger seat. He begins to start to go a opp officer drives by doing 80 plus in oncoming lane turns around and says l was following to close. Told him what was…
My son was making a right turn at the intersection he had a green so slowed down looked and proceeded into the turn. It was pouring rain and the was a big pool of water as he got arround the curb. He tried to keep the car going sharp right however it slid into the car making a left turn. the lane he was turning into is very narrow and at a very busy corner. He paniced and left the scene only…
I had an collision the other day. I was turing left and ran into a car going straight in the opposite direction. The insurance company has already determined that I'm at fault, since I made the left turn. But I'm wondering whether I should go on trail and at least I might get rid of the ticket. The ticket was under 142(1)
I was told that if I go on court, both the guy I hit and the officer who…
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I can't find the category for this post so I'm posting it here.
Two questions...
1. Are golf carts considered a 'vehicle' under the Highway traffic act? I know carts can't drive across roads or on roads but if you try to bring one from the USA into Canada they are considered a 'vehicle'.
2. If you are on private property are you allowed to carry 'opened' alcohol in your golf cart? I know golf…
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I was driving westbound on Hwy. 8 earlier this month in North Dumfries Township, approaching the Cambridge city limits. The weather was clear and the roads were dry. I noticed a vehicle on the shoulder on my side of the road, pointing towards me. This didn't concern me right away, as it is a rural area and I sometimes see vehicles doing mail delivery. The vehicle then started accelerating and…
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who is at fault when :a) a passenger opens door and jumps out of vehicle onto the road with traffic. b) he gets hit by a car travelling in the adjoining lane. c) traffic lights were green. d) pedestrian crossing was further up and indicated "no crossing" light e) the vehicle that he exited from leaves the scene as soon as accident occurred. f) no charges have been laid after police filed report…
Victory is mine!
