Stanton wrote: That's incorrect. Being parked would absolutely fall under the definition of stopping a vehicle, both in a legal sense and common sense perspective. No parking zones allow brief exemptions to load or unload passengers and cargo whereas no stopping zones do not.

Right, and to further complicate matters, there exists "no standing" zones. These zones allow a vehicle to stop in order to load/unload passengers but NOT cargo.

So a "no stopping" zone does not permit stopping for any reason; one cannot stop to unload/load passengers nor cargo, and one cannot park a vehicle.

Jonny042 wrote: Anyone know the complete ins and outs for Allstate? It seems as though I won't take a hit for a single minor offense, but not sure about a second one.

I don't have any details re: how Allstate treats convictions, but I discovered that my insurance company provides a "conviction free discount" of 15%. In other words, a single conviction will result in losing the 15% discount. Of course, additional convictions will result in further premium increases, but I found the "conviction free discount" an interesting twist.

iFly55 wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, I've only ever seen traffic lights change to amber once the pedestrian beacon is at zero.

Exactly; every traffic light controlled intersection I've encountered, when the pedestrian count down (or flashing red hand) reaches zero (or becomes a solid red hand), the light changes from green to amber.

The "article" is incorrect in at least one other area. The article contains the statements: "If the bill passes, only school buses could be this colour of yellow, so some tacky muscle cars may need a paint job. (Associated Press) The bill would also "clarify that only school buses can be painted chrome yellow." One has to wonder what, exactly, necessitated that clarification." However, the bill proposes: 41 .  (1)  Subsection 175 (3) of the Act is amended by striking out "No bus" at the beginning and substituting "No part of a bus".    (2)  Sec...

smotwani wrote: I'm not able to read her handwriting

The notes are actually quite readable (compared to some of the scans other folks have provided of officers notes). The notes state:

Black Acura 2008
R.O. was driver
Radar - G2S25705
test before 1100
test after 0410

no issues male asked
if he was going to
fight the ticket
would he have to
come back to Napanee

0410

I do not know what "R.O. was driver" means.

I'm guessing she meant 11:00 pm as the test time since you were stopped shortly afterwards. Exactly. I originally wrote a start time of 11:00 am and an end time of 4:00 pm, then double checked the original post and realized the traffic stop occurred at 11:15 pm. If the times were provided in "military time", i.e. 24-hour time, she should have written 23h00 and 04h00 (or 2300 and 0400) assuming a "midnight shift" or 11h00 and 16h00 (or 1100 and 1600) for a "afternoon shift". So, to be honest, I don't know if anything can be made of the fact that the recording of t...

smotwani wrote: Can anyone tell me what the two numbers for test before and test after mean?

The time of day that the test was performed, i.e. 11:00 pm and 4:10 am.

I have a feeling the officer would be more interested in helping and then ticketing the guy who spun out than you. Agreed, but I should have been clearer in the original post. The other car did not spin out; the car swung out perhaps 20 degrees from the centre line and relatively quickly brought the car under control. However, I am fairly certain that a (minor) collision would have occurred if I would have stopped at the intersection. So, there is a possibility that any officer near the scene would have only observed my vehicle passing through the intersection without stopping; especially if ...

Thanks for providing all the details; a very interesting read. BTW, good job buddy!

Several months ago, I continued through a 4-way stop sign (there were no other vehicles at, or approaching, the intersection) to avoid a rear-end collision. I did NOT receive an offence notice, so the following question is hypothetical: If an officer had witnessed my vehicle disobeying the stop sign and then issued an offence notice, would the explanation that the offence was committed to avoid a collision be a valid "defence of necessity"? I assume it would. More details on the scenario: As mentioned in the opening sentence, there were no other vehicles at, or approaching, the 4-way...

soconfused wrote: I fought the charges and won the case. No fines, suspensions, plea bargains or points.

Could you please provide more details on exactly how you managed to win the case? IMO, the events that occur within the court (or beforehand with the prosecutor) are some of the most interesting bits of information available from this discussion forum. Thanks in advance.

It doesn't appear you meet the necessity defence. The problem with your safety decision is that you were already speeding before the event began. You can't be doing +15km/h and then for safety go +42km/h especially in a construction zone with workers present. Right, from a safety standpoint and thus the court's point of view, the safe decision is too slow down in order to let the other vehicle into your lane; not speed up. Yeah, it seems the tendency (via observation over the years) is that drivers press the accelerator pedal in similiar situations, rather than letting off on the gas or gentl...

gamerzfuse wrote:Hello,
what I'm reading, that's a $504 fine that they are charging me $634 for and possibly as many as 8 points (those are doubled also?)

From what I understand, only the fine is doubled, not the number of demerit points.

Can I get a ticket for this? The following is Section 175(11) of the Highway Traffic Act: Duty of drivers when school bus stopped (11) Every driver or street car operator, when meeting on a highway, other than a highway with a median strip, a stopped school bus that has its overhead red signal-lights flashing, shall stop before reaching the bus and shall not proceed until the bus moves or the overhead red signal-lights have stopped flashing. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 175 (11). Idem (12) Every driver or street car operator on a highway, when approaching from the rear a stopped school bus that ha...

Thanks for the details. Indeed you were lucky to have the first charge dismissed since from what I understand, the likelihood of the police officer not showing up to trial is pretty slim.