You are right in the sense that the correct thing to do is to pull to the curb in almost all cases... HOWEVER...
flyingfree234 wrote:Um yeah driving on NON roads i.e. actual curbs is against the law.
PASSING off the road is illegal. Pulling the vehicle on to the curb and stopping until the fire truck or ambulance passes you is not illegal in a situation like this. Please quote the section of the Highway Traffic Act that says it is illegal to pull onto the curb to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Oh that's right, you can't, because it doesn't exist.
flyingfree234 wrote:If you are driving at MAX speed in the left lane, you can't exactly be ticketed because if you drive any faster, you're breaking the law by speeding.
Read my post again, and also the Highway Traffic Act. It doesn't matter what speed you are driving at - if there is faster moving traffic, you must move to the right. There is no exception given if you are at the speed limit. If you got in the left lane and you weren't passing other traffic, there was no reason for you to be there in the first place, unless you're about to turn left. I'll be very clear: You're required to move right at the first safe opportunity, not just wildly change lanes or stay right where you are, when faster moving traffic approaches. If an emergency vehicle is coming up, you can move left or right.
flyingfree234 wrote:So where are you supposed to go? 1) Drive faster - illegal 2) Lane change UNSAFELY into a car that already is in the right lane - cause a crash from unsafe lane change - cause more accidents, break laws, um no
I'll cut-and-paste from above:
No one said to make an unsafe lane change or to put your vehicle into the ditch at high speed. What iFly55 was saying is that you need to be aware of your surroundings so that you know if it is safe to change to the right or not, and if you're just "guessing" if there's a vehicle there, you're not paying attention. If there is a vehicle there, don't change lanes in to it.
flyingfree234 wrote:3) As the highway act says, SLOW down and try to pull to the left curb - yes pull TO the left curb, not ON the curb and cause your car to flip because that's actually not what you were trained to do - you're not a stunt driver.
Yes you are supposed to pull to the curb, if that gets you out of the way. If pulling to the curb won't create enough room, slowly pulling on to the curb is not dangerous nor will it get you ticketed. Slowly pulling your vehicle onto the curb will absolutely not cause it to flip, sorry. I've done it before to get out of the way, when there was nowhere else to go. Bringing one edge of the vehicle up 4 inches is not going to offset its centre of gravity, even if it's a transport truck. Your statement above is hysterical nonsense. You're not dealing with people who have no driver experience, so cut the hyperbole.
flyingfree234 wrote:Because then you would be 100% breaking the law and involving more innocent people.
Again, you're resorting to over-the-top exaggeration. And again, for emphasis NO ONE, MYSELF INCLUDED, SAID TO CHANGE LANES INTO OTHER VEHICLES. You put those words in our mouths. If you're trying to make a point by doing so, you're not helping your case.
It's pretty simple: Pay attention to what's behind you. I've never had an emergency vehicle come rocketing up behind me to the point I thought I was going to be rear-ended. That's because I watch my rear-view mirrors and also realize I'm sharing the road with other people, including first responders who have to get places quickly. If you suddenly find an emergency vehicle behind you and it came out of nowhere, you weren't watching the road. I always also know if there are vehicles left or right of me, because I'm also paying attention to that. I can do it, you can do it.
flyingfree234 wrote:If EMS and emergency vehicles wanna do it, fine, but if a civilian does it then they will get ticketed for sure.
I've been on this forum a long time. I've dealt with literally hundreds of traffic ticket cases and I've got over 20 years of driver experience. This above statement is only true if you were attempting to pass other vehicles while driving off the roadway. Pulling off the road when getting to the curb wasn't giving enough room is not going to result in a ticket. And I'd rather put my car at 20 km/h or less onto the curb or shoulder and then slow to a stop to get those first responders past me (again, where there's nowhere to go) than have them try to go down the sidewalk or on the grass at a higher speed.