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Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:50 pm
by Jonny042

Hello all,


What are the chances of getting a prosecutor to actually change the charge to a non motor vehicle related offence? Or even, say, a dirty plate (if that wouldn't affect my insurance?)


Thanks!!


Re: Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:14 pm
by bend

Practically zero.


The reduced charge usually has to be in the same category and somewhat relevant to the original charge.


Re: Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:44 pm
by iFly55
http://assets.ibc.ca/Documents/Brochure ... FAQ-ON.pdf

Insurance companies have three categories: minor, major and serious. Dirty plate would be under the minor category and can still increase your rates. Speeding +49km/hr and driving with dirty plate could still be under the "minor category". They don't set different premiums for moving and non-moving convictions; if you're charged under the HTA, it's all the same.


Companies like State Farm will cancel your policy if you collect 3 minor convictions within the same window. Major and Serious convictions will generally result in your policy getting cancelled or +100% surcharges so that you will cancel.


If your charge is related to a sign, there's a small chance they could amend it to the by-law for the sign. It never hurts to ask, but you will not get an amendment to a completely unrelated charge.


Re: Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:21 am
by Jonny042

Thanks for the advice!


Anyone know the complete ins and outs for Allstate? It seems as though I won't take a hit for a single minor offense, but not sure about a second one.


I've been trying to clean up my act (successful!) but mistakes can happen (both by the OPP and myself!)


Re: Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:23 am
by jsherk

In the USA a lot of the prosecutors will offer to exchange your driving charge to a parking violation charge (with same fine amount) in exchange for a guilty plea.


However I have never heard of that happening in Canada. Either they are not allowed to do it, or just won't.


Re: Plea To Non-hta Offence? Or Non Moving Violation?

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:52 am
by hecubus
Jonny042 wrote:

Anyone know the complete ins and outs for Allstate? It seems as though I won't take a hit for a single minor offense, but not sure about a second one.

I don't have any details re: how Allstate treats convictions, but I discovered that my insurance company provides a "conviction free discount" of 15%. In other words, a single conviction will result in losing the 15% discount. Of course, additional convictions will result in further premium increases, but I found the "conviction free discount" an interesting twist.