“Serious Defence For Serial Ticketers.”

After you lose your detector of course...and you don't even want to know what your insurance will do to you (without lube) if you get caught running with a detector.

Our detector - detectors are pretty sharp BTW.

LOL, isn't this a techie paradise? Aren't there Radar detector detector detector's now? LOL!

I went to Buffalo with a friend of mine years ago as he went to pick up his detector detector from a Buffalo UPS (couldn't get it shipped here).

Might as well go LBS. Trapster's been praised by the community, but I haven't used it.. Also, police scanners are streaming over the Internet these days, so that's another great way to find out about speed traps.

Marquisse wrote:I went to Buffalo with a friend of mine years ago as he went to pick up his detector detector from a Buffalo UPS (couldn't get it shipped here).

Was it a VG-3?

About Radar,

I thaught there was a law for the police to follow that a car cannot be searched unless they see something. It would be your own stupidity to leave something out in the open. If an officer ever suspects something and asks to look into your car, tell them, no officer, I do not give you permission to search my car. So, I'm not gonna say any thing else about it. It's against the law it's against the law.

Now I did find a way to track your speed Via a Satalite.

There is a new GPS autotracking device that truckers are using now that from what I am hearing, might protect the driver. A friend of mine says he uses one as part of his fleet. He says he has been stopped and accused of speeding before in his rig. Lol, not only is it governed, but my GPS Autotrackers records my speeds every 3-4 seconds. He said he was able to talk himself out of a ticket pretty fast.

Is there a product that can be used for cars? I'll let you know. Or you let me know please.

Now for Trapsters, Yes, it does work pretty good and I use it. However there are a few flaws with it. A single occupancy vehicle cannot update the trapster over the phone of new speed traps as well, the driver is driving. THe other thing are that the police are mobile and if we have access to trapster, then they do too. Not to mention the ghost cars just patrolling up and down the hwy's makes this system pretty useless. However, I still find them fairly accurate in identifying all the usual hotspots, you just can't count on them for everything. If the police doesn't want to be known where they are sitting, I am sure they can get around trapster.

We've all got laptops in the cars...well 90% of cruisers do...

As long as you keep your regular GPS on (depending on the settings), you should be covered with proper logs. The cheapest option is a GPS data logger that will either record to an SD card or that will transfer the logs via bluetooth. You can also use a bluetooth GPS device along with a netbook and a nettop with a webcam hooked up and Quantum Navigator.. That way you will have GPS, audio and video. The package is still in development so ymmv, but I've used it for mapping with good results.

GPS no good either....NEXT excuse

This was in California. AFIK, GPS hasn't received judicial notice in Ontario, but it could go either way. Doesn't hurt to try as long as you submit a proper NMEA log. As for it only being an excuse.... A picture's worth 1000 words...

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Even if it's only a very small fraction of a percent, a police officer who abuses his/her powers (I don't care if there is a reason or just for kicks) however is a huge public nuissance and flies in the face of why we pay taxes to them. To serve and protect us. A fraction of a percent out of 60 000 is still too much.

It's nearly impossible to prove wrongdoing in a court. As the courts are so gueared for police officers to win

The Financial stresses that can be imposed is hard to recover. For ex. Time off work for court, what if it's in annother province, getting a lawyer, after that's cleared up it's the innitial fine and then the increased insurance, which in Toronto can amount to thousands of dollars of chocolat cake icing.

Some officers would argue that, that is what has to happen to keep people from speeding. I understand that and I would support it. However, I believe the extra responsibility on the part of the officer has to be taken into account as well, if there is a possibility of any dought? Is it possible it was the other vehicle speeding? If thats true, then maybe the ticket should be dropped? You do have powers of discretion don't you? Also knowing the financial status, a guy driving some beatup car would feel the sting of a ticket allot more than someone in a Mercedes. Not to mention an out of towners who can't travel the thousands of km's just to go see the city's JP the following day.

The worst of all to me is that many people know when they are in the wrong and in their minds would not fight the ticket if the officer offers a fine reduction. However, when it's the officer that is clearly in the wrong, to the point that even the officer should be realising yet he's not listening to you, and showing arrogance. That gives a lasting impression to the people, and yes, some people are pissed off.

So I say this to any officers who take pride in their work. Instead of all banding together and defending yourselves no matter what. How about encouraging the public who wants to show themselves abiding by the law and who don't want to fall victim to that fraction of a percent of law enforcement. Cause all the good work your doing is beeing undone by them.

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this way.

Agreed, too bad for us that these pinheads abuse their power.

Makes it that much more difficult for us that are out there just trying to do our jobs.

Agreed.. That's why recording devices can come in useful under the circumstances. Those pinheads can seriously harm the finances of your average Canadian. Even a regular ticket, no matter how low the speed on it is (even if it's 1km/h over the limit) can cost a Canadian an easy $500 (either in lost work time, hiring a paralegal or insurance increases).

On another note a GPS device and other remote sensing toys like voice/video recording devices can help in collision investigation. I've been in a couple of collisions where the other party was lying through their teeth. While I stayed on top of the adjusters and the situations were resolved in my favor, GPS would have been useful in one case and cameras in both cases, at least for the peace of mind.

Yeah but you are talking about 0.05% of the time...that's a little paranoid by any standard don't you think?

Again, these police officers who create offences are one in 27,000 in Ontario, people have a 100X greater chance of being involved in a collision and we still see tons of people not wearing seatbelts...

Well, yeah, it does seem paranoid to be doing this considering such tiny numbers of potential officers involved. However and I am just immagining this, I think the damage just might be a little larger than these numbers would suggest. I was just wondering, at the precinct, do you have those officers who tend to brag about giving out large amounts of tickets in one night? 40-50-60 or more? This comparing to the average what, 20 or so? I would tend to think those would be the sort of officers who would ticket without even giving a second thaught to the actual situation and it's that behaviour that has to stop. Ok, you gave out 80 tickets tonight but if 85% of those you give tickets to are fighting it, there must be something wrong right? 3-4 times the tickets, 3-4 times the damage. Come to think of it, it's very likely these officers are working in groups to haul in larger numbers of tickets to write making whole erea's as easy game. Does this make sense?

One thing I nottice is a little confusion as to why in the world would a police officer target an innocent bystandard, when there are enough dummies out there not even wearing their seatbelts. The potential answer to that might be in the way the police force is structured. Maybe it's ambition? How does a Corporal become a Seargent? Can it be making yourself look good at the cost of others? it happens all the time at my work and for that reason I don't wanna tell you where I work. Maybe stopping a bunch of people not wearing their seatbelt is viewed as small stuff compared stoping someone going 30 kph over. All I know for sure is that for all the dummies out there, there are a ton of good honnest drivers who feel they've been cheated and I'm one of them.

As far as camera's go, what happens when you have a sinus infection? A doctor will usually prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic to treat the infection, like Penecilin. Not only will it clear up the infection but it will prevent other infections from happening. If it happens that, because you had video evidence, it prevented you from a ticket (crossing fingers) and hopefully at the same time encouraged a police officer to practice his due dilligence, then thats all the better for the world. But like the use of Penecillin, there are other great uses for cameras running all the time in the vehicle like.

Vehicle break in recordings. (If you can hide your camera)

Accident claims, if you can record it, it settles disputes very well.

Crimes beeing comited.

With a video camera always recording, your bound to run into something worth recording and then posting it on Youtube.

You might even lower your insurance, a really tiny, little bit. Greedy &*(*(. Lol.

As a matter of fact, I think I might actually put a hidden camera in my car next time I get an oil change to see if he actually changes my oil? Lol. Ok, maybe for a more serious car repair issues I might. Now that camera's are cheap, watch out.

coolcustomer wrote:Well, yeah, it does seem paranoid to be doing this considering such tiny numbers of potential officers involved. However and I am just immagining this, I think the damage just might be a little larger than these numbers would suggest. I was just wondering, at the precinct, do you have those officers who tend to brag about giving out large amounts of tickets in one night? 40-50-60 or more? This comparing to the average what, 20 or so?

No. The average officer writes one or two tickets. The big guns write 5. That's an average over 22 years. 60 tickets in a shift? Never heard of the that. Hell forty might be a record. Again I think this may be your imagination getting the best of you, but the average officer is letting tons of cars drive by cause they're busy doing other things...

How does a Corporal become a Seargent?

I can assure you traffic enforcement doesn't do you much if any good. On both major services I worked on, the traffic guys never get any real respect...traffic involves working hard, giving tickets to nice people who complain, it's a pain to admin...people get promoted in policing like the rest of the world. ass-kissing and networking. Traffic tickets don't get you anywhere in the GTA service I worked at or my current service...again...in the absence of the truth I can see you believing that...

I agree cameras are helpful, we've been trying to get them for years, we tried two different systems but they were too expensive...I'm hoping we get them soon...in places where they use them conviction rates go way up...