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Author: jccaw229
Hi everyone I just received a ticket for parking the wrong way on the street in front of my house. There is not sign saying I have to park a certain way and I have been unable to find anything that says you have to park in a certain direction.
SO can anyone help me, I think I want to appeal the ticket but would like some advice to see if I am way off the watt with this one, or should I per sure appealing this ticket .
Jason
A couple of things:
I've seen signs stating you must park facing the same direction of traffic and you should find examples of them to show in court. Your argument: there was no sign, a reasonable person would expect a sign if it was illegal to park that way.
Good luck!
ticketcombat wrote: I've seen signs stating you must park facing the same direction of traffic and you should find examples of them to show in court. Your argument: there was no sign, a reasonable person would expect a sign if it was illegal to park that way.
A reasonable person would not drive across the path of oncoming traffic just to park on the opposite side, facing traffic.
You have to do it to make a left turn or to pull into a driveway. And he would have to make a u-turn or 3pt turn to park facing the right way which would be across the path of oncoming traffic.A reasonable person would not drive across the path of oncoming traffic...
If the residential street is small enough, less than 150 metres, the U-turn would be illegal but parking facing the wrong way may not be.
ticketcombat wrote:If the residential street is small enough, less than 150 metres, the U-turn would be illegal but parking facing the wrong way may not be.
So the u-turn is also a bylaw?
And park parking signs...the city would then have to put signs up facing the wrong way, just in case someone parked the wrong way? Otherwise the next defence would be the sign was not visible for the direction parked
It's covered under Rules of the Road in the HTA:So the u-turn is also a bylaw?
U-turns prohibited
143. No driver or operator of a vehicle upon a highway shall turn the vehicle so as to proceed in the opposite direction when,
(a) upon a curve where traffic approaching the vehicle from either direction cannot be seen by the driver of the vehicle within a distance of 150 metres;
(b) on a railway crossing or within 30 metres of a railway crossing;
(c) upon an approach to or near the crest of a grade where the vehicle cannot be seen by the driver of another vehicle approaching from either direction within 150 metres; or
(d) within 150 metres of a bridge, viaduct or tunnel where the drivers view is obstructed within such distance. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 143.
The issue at bar will be whether a sign is required. I have seen signs placed parallel to the street (you can read it in either direction) stating you must park in the direction of traffic. They are probably erected in areas where that's a problem. A prosecutor will argue it's common sense to park in the direction of traffic. Otherwise vehicles coming down the road will think they are going the wrong way on a one way street and panic. Then you've got safety issues. But if we all used common sense, we wouldn't have traffic court!the city would then have to put signs up facing the wrong way, just in case someone parked the wrong way?
Agreed. The u-turn came up as an example of when you have to cross the path of oncoming traffic to park facing the right direction. Someone has to see you do it in order to be charged and only if the 150 metre rule applies.Don't think the u-turn charge applies to this scenario at all.
The point is Jason has to convince the judge he's innocent somehow. One way to do it is to suggest the requirement of a sign. Or claim the charge is subject to a strict liability defence.
Hi Jason. If you look here
you will see a list of headings.
Go down that list of bullets in the middle of the page to find :
Under <i>that </i>heading is a chart which includes "Park left wheels to curb" which is what I think you're actually describing and it requires no sign to be posted.
Hope it helps.
ticketcombat wrote:The point is Jason has to convince the judge he's innocent somehow. One way to do it is to suggest the requirement of a sign. Or claim the charge is subject to a strict liability defence.
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hwybear wrote:ticketcombat wrote: I've seen signs stating you must park facing the same direction of traffic and you should find examples of them to show in court. Your argument: there was no sign, a reasonable person would expect a sign if it was illegal to park that way.
A reasonable person would not drive across the path of oncoming traffic just to park on the opposite side, facing traffic.
Good point. In order to be parked facing the wrong way, a person would have to drive down the wrong side of the road (even very briefly) to do the parking - and to pull away from the curb, the vehicle would be put in motion on the wrong side of the road also. Sadly the thing you really have going against you is that some by-laws just dont require signs.
As to strict liability ... well that generally means the onus is reversed and you are guilty unless you can prove you're not so it may be worth staying away from that phrase.
DO make sure all of the other relevant info is correct on the face of the ticket though: is your licence plate correct, is the address correct, is the time correct ... maybe there's a small detail somewhere that makes the ticket itself invalid?
Can the officer prove YOU were the one that parked there? Did he see you park there?
You wouldn't want to take the stand and lie about who was driving, but there's nothing wrong with ensuring the Crown can prove their case by proving who was driving.
Bookm wrote:Can the officer prove YOU were the one that parked there? Did he see you park there?
You wouldn't want to take the stand and lie about who was driving, but there's nothing wrong with ensuring the Crown can prove their case by proving who was driving.
Is this just not a plain ole parking ticket? that does not go on a driver's licence anyway? Just registered against the owner's plate until it is paid, otherwise the owner can't renew the validation sticker.
Good Question. Is this just a cheapo parking ticket, or a $100+ ticket?
BTW. though I also occasionally park on the wrong side (on quiet back streets) I really don't think it's good practice. It's unsafe when re-entering traffic, and it could cause others to think it is a one-way street.
I think the parking ticket would be a Part 2 Provincial Offences Act charge. It can be issued to the driver [section 15(5)] at the time of the alleged infraction or the plate owner [section 15(4)].
Absolute liability offences are ones where you are liable whether or not you were at fault. Strict liability offences allow you to prove that you took reasonable care not to commit the illegal act regardless of whether you did it or not.DeeLan wrote:As to strict liability ... well that generally means the onus is reversed and you are guilty unless you can prove you're not...
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