“Fines - Laser Detectors & Laser Jammers”

Yep. No effort by the gov't to give people the tools and resources to be better drivers (better education); just more restrictions, banning and draconian laws.

I'd offer to bend over for Fantino but he'll just shove it in there anyway. Might as well make him earn the paycheck. So again, why do we, Ontario, have the safest roads in North America if we all can't drive?

Because the rest of North America suck even more.

And we all have the tools and resources, they're just not crammed down our throats. Some people can't handle having free will to learn on their own.

tdrive2 wrote:bear i had no idea you have seized that many detectors? Are alot American vehicles or something your close to the US border aren't you?

guess about 85% USA, 10% Ontario and 5% Alberta.

bear one time you should come do a shift with the Toronto detachment or that one at Aurora.

I don't think we are issued diapers....b/c that area would scare the *EDIT* out of me...multiple times a day.....crazy dangerous, give props for co-workers that work there

It's lidar you need to worry about and the problem with Laser Jammers is a smart officer will know when he is being jammed. You would have to disable them very quickly and slow down without jamming on your brake lights.

Lidar tells the operator when it is being jammed, so don't have to be too smart

NO way bear does it actually tell you when its being jammed specifically?

I thought it just wouldn't get a reading.

What kind of gun is this.

Are they getting rid of the Marksman 20/20? I have still seen some in use what are the OPP using for lidar now anyways.

Bear i wont lie your area of the 401 scares the *EDIT* out of me. It's carnage alley, some of those trucks are not, and there is OPP everywhere with lidar, radar, moving radar. I hardly ever go through there and ill see more OPP then i see in months sometimes here.

I tend to find the same.

The QEW i have seen most people going 125-135 a number of times.

The 407 is really fast especially where it gets into more than 4 lanes.

The 401 is strange it can be really strange.

Mississauga is an intense drive usually along there in evening rush hour.

The 400 there is enough people that seem to drive as fast as they can especially on long weekends.

Bear, what happens to all those seized detectors?

Reflections wrote:So again, why do we, Ontario, have the safest roads in North America if we all can't drive?

Since you asked for it... Safest roads by definition meant fewest fatalities per vehicle kilometre or per licensed driver. Some reasons:

* Ontario has vast swaths of uninhabited areas, but most of us live in cities. Urban areas have lower fatality rates. (Studies have shown that.) More urbanized = lower death rates, less urbanized = higher death rates. Example: The states with the lowest percentage of urban population (Montana, Alaska) have the highest death rates.

* Greater population density in urban area = lower fatality rates. GTA is the most densely populated area in North America, where over half of Ontario's residents are.

* 400-Series Highways have the highest safety and design standards in NA, although there are some exceptions here and there.

* Highest rate of compliance with seat-belt laws. This is the biggest factor saving your life in a crash. 10% of Americans do not wear their seat belts but 55% of fatalities on US roads were not wearing their belts, similar numbers in Canada. Thank people like bear for seat belt enforcement...

* Lowest rate of drunk driving in North America. I will credit good police work and education here. SK & MT have the highest rates of drunk driving in Canada & US respectively, also, highest rate of vehicular fatalities.

* Daytime running lights. (Granted, this is Canada-wide but it is a contributing factor.)

* Emergency services, EMS and air ambulance are very good at what they do; hospitals, particularly Sunnybrook & St. Mike's are experts at treating vehicular trauma cases.

* Most Ontarians outside of GTA & Ottawa drive in a respectful and responsible manner.

All of that combines to make our roads "safe" in terms of low death rates. GTA has some of the highest collision and injury rates in NA, but very low fatality rates, probably due to the above reasons. In other words, we hit things a lot, but we don't get killed very often.

Yes, the lidar specifically tells the operator it is being jammed. (ie. on target, pull trigger, gets jammed, lidar tells operator it is being jammed, therefore operator also knows which vehicle has the jammer)

I do not see the Marksman being pulled out of use for a few more years, until there is a budget for replacement. My office has 1 Marksman and 3 Laser Atlanta.

Seized detectors get smashed with a sledge hammer.

Lowest rate of drunk driving in North America.

And the penalties just went up as far as 12 hour suspension becomes 3 days. Why if we are responsible in the first place?

And yes the vast majority of Ontarians drive on the 4-series of highways so why did my driving test not include it?? That was 16 years ago but still

If you truly want to make the roads safer then the focus should be on the driver, not the penalties.

We drive with the possibility of snow and ice 5 months out of the year. Did drivers ed cover skids, no. Did the government cover it, no. Why not? Is it a real threat, yes. Is tailgating a real threat yes, is it addressed, yes.

And yet every snow/ice storm we hear on the radio that the police are responding to accidents every 60 seconds....blah, blah, blah. The OPP news liason comes on "everybody needs to be be more cautious when the roads are slippery"....... So when is the government going to incorperate winter into the driver testing? When are we going to put snows on every vehicle October through March?

Still waiting for Fantino to comment

hwybear wrote:Yes, the lidar specifically tells the operator it is being jammed. (ie. on target, pull trigger, gets jammed, lidar tells operator it is being jammed, therefore operator also knows which vehicle has the jammer)

I do not see the Marksman being pulled out of use for a few more years, until there is a budget for replacement. My office has 1 Marksman and 3 Laser Atlanta.

Seized detectors get smashed with a sledge hammer.

I read somewhere that the Laser Atlanta's false the jam code alot......

Reflections wrote:

hwybear wrote:Yes, the lidar specifically tells the operator it is being jammed. (ie. on target, pull trigger, gets jammed, lidar tells operator it is being jammed, therefore operator also knows which vehicle has the jammer)

I do not see the Marksman being pulled out of use for a few more years, until there is a budget for replacement. My office has 1 Marksman and 3 Laser Atlanta.

Seized detectors get smashed with a sledge hammer.

I read somewhere that the Laser Atlanta's false the jam code alot......

not at all, I have only heard the jam twice.....then it is more like WTF was that? and then the mind becomes now I know....oh well too late, vehicle is gone now.

Reflections wrote:And the penalties just went up as far as 12 hour suspension becomes 3 days. Why if we are responsible in the first place?

I don't know, probably some politician looking to justify their existence. The current system was working, why change it?

Reflections wrote:And yes the vast majority of Ontarians drive on the 4-series of highways so why did my driving test not include it??

Mine did. Granted I was one of the first people to go through this graduated licensing thingy, took my G1 written 14 years ago, got the full G-license 12 years ago, so maybe they changed the rules.

Reflections wrote:If you truly want to make the roads safer then the focus should be on the driver, not the penalties.

I agree.

Reflections wrote:We drive with the possibility of snow and ice 5 months out of the year. Did drivers ed cover skids, no. Did the government cover it, no. Why not? Is it a real threat, yes.

Some sort of skid testing or loss-of-control-recovery training/testing should be mandatory. Goes back to the idea that we discussed a couple of months ago with driving simulators. Some really good driving schools will teach people how to recover from skids and slides, but most don't, you're right. The main reason I can think of is as to why we don't do these things is that the gov't is just too lazy to come up with a real solution or to try anything innovative.

Winter tires... Quebec makes it mandatory, I don't see why we don't...

Mine did. Shocked Granted I was one of the first people to go through this graduated licensing thingy, took my G1 written 14 years ago, got the full G-license 12 years ago, so maybe they changed the rules. Confused

I had a 365....took drivers ed....then my license, got one thing "wrong" when I let the pedestrian cross the street, no 4-series highways but I 3-point turned like a demon and boy my parallel parking with wheels turned in was spot on, and the whole test was conducted in 50 KMH or less zones, 2 weeks later rolled mom's car...... guess that test was thorough

We don't have a 400-series nearby, but my G2 Exit did include a stretch of HWY 11 (where the limit is 100). The ramps seem a little shorter, too - I caught a smile on the tester's face when I went to WOT.

My driver's ed consisted of driving from one garage sale to the next. Never left the city limits. Never drove above 55kph. At 16, my first car was a slow Astre (Vega). At 17, I bought by first V8 (1969 Ranchero, 351W, 4-spd). I took it out on the 401 for the first time and thought I had found heaven!!!

I'm going to put my daughter through drivers ed soon (for the insurance deal) but I'M going to REALLY teach her myself (Calm down! I'm not that bad! LOL). I let my boys get taught strictly through drivers ed and one totaled a car and the other failed the road test and is now too nervous to try again. My style might be frowned on my those with "authoritah" but I think I have a pretty good grasp on the "reality" of driving to survive.

Oops! WAY off topic